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Solar_Diz i will, however, refer to the slides we used at NordU2002
Solar_Diz http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/
Solar_Diz please get equipped with either a web browser or a local copy of the slides (just half a meg gzipped)
Solar_Diz there's also a "victim" Owl box you could play with
Solar_Diz (the DNS record will go away once we're done)
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz (i won't spend too much time tracking any abuse, so please be polite there)
Solar_Diz ok, so let's get started with the real stuff
Solar_Diz (slide 2)
Solar_Diz the first question i'd expect from anyone who hears of another Linux distribution is, --
Solar_Diz "why are you doing that? aren't there enough?"
Solar_Diz well, this time the answer is we aren't satisfied with the approach to security (as well as certain other things) found in other distributions
Solar_Diz i'll explain
Solar_Diz the problems with other major distributions of Linux:
Solar_Diz (as we see them)
Solar_Diz 1. most care to patch known security vulnerabilities which are "bad enough", yet do little to prevent vulnerable software from getting into the distribution in the first place
Solar_Diz there're several reasons why this is the case
Solar_Diz one reason is they simply don't value security so much
Solar_Diz another reason is it's different parts of the team/company who package new software and who are responsible for security
Solar_Diz 2. There're usually more than just a few pieces of software in a distribution which provide a certain bit of functionality, thereby unnecessarily increasing the risk
Solar_Diz (for those joining the channel, questions and comments on #qc please, not privately to me)
Solar_Diz as a result, the number of vulnerabilities affecting each major distribution that hit Bugtraq is high, and those are only the ones which are "bad enough"
Solar_Diz (by "bad enough" in the context of major distributions i mean those which would trigger advisories from the vendor)
Solar_Diz (for example, timing leaks which allow for inferring valid usernames, a topic currently on Bugtraq, would hardly cause those vendors to even look into patching the code)
Solar_Diz (slide 3)
Solar_Diz (for those joining, http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/)
Solar_Diz another part of the question "why do this" is, -- isn't there already a secure Linux distribution?
Solar_Diz really, the idea to make one appeared no later than 1998 at which time there were several projects started and mailing lists created
Solar_Diz (most such projects died before being started)
Solar_Diz however, several other secure Linux distro projects do exist
Solar_Diz in fact, i maintain an open directory (http://dmoz.org) category for those
Solar_Diz unfortunately, i see several fundamental problems with those:
Solar_Diz 1. most choose software based on security track record
Solar_Diz basically, if program X hasn't been mentioned on Bugtraq, it probably is secure and we may package it safely
Solar_Diz indeed this is a wrong attitude
Solar_Diz a good security track record is no replacement for source code review; unless the software component is very popular, the track record hardly says anything on its design or code quality
Solar_Diz one example is xinetd. it was believed to be "secure" by many, until it got packaged into several distributions (primarily Red Hat Linux 7+) and vulnerabilities started falling
Solar_Diz (yes, we package xinetd, too, although we did take certain steps to reduce the risks and didn't have the expectation of it being so safe)
Solar_Diz then, it isn't just the choice of software which matters
Solar_Diz once you choose a piece of software, there may well be more work to be done on integrating it cleanly and applying privilege separation within the OS (more on that later)
Solar_Diz 2. there's often an emphasis on kernel modifications
Solar_Diz while i am guilty of doing some of those myself, i don't believe in them religiously like i know some people do ;-)
Solar_Diz another unfortunate property of those is that their code quality (and sometimes concepts) is often inadequate
Solar_Diz kernel modifications are also generally not something which would justify an entire distribution project
Solar_Diz they usually are a "hardening" measure, and when you have your very own distro, you can fix the primary causes of problems
Solar_Diz 3. finally, it's not the security-related bells and whistles which make a system secure
Solar_Diz certain distributions fall into the "secure" category by some definitions simply because they integrate a variety of security tools (and are thus useful for security)
Solar_Diz however this says nothing about how secure they are themselves
Solar_Diz (for those joining, http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/)
Solar_Diz (slide 4)
Solar_Diz now, let's introduce our distribution, Owl
Solar_Diz we intend it as a security-enhanced server platform, and we based the distribution on the following pieces of software:
Solar_Diz 1. The Linux kernel and its corresponding utilities
Solar_Diz 2. (some of) GNU software
Solar_Diz 3. many BSD-derived components, including those ported to Linux specifically for use in Owl
Solar_Diz 4. other free software from various authors (e.g., Postfix)
Solar_Diz 5. free software developed by openwall team members, including specifically for Owl
Solar_Diz more on the third and fifth categories later
Solar_Diz (for those joining, there's an Owl box to play with:
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz please be polite as i have no time to track abuse during the talk)
Solar_Diz (slide 5)
Solar_Diz now, the features Owl offers:
Solar_Diz first, it may be used as a base for installing whatever software is generally available for GNU/*/Linux systems, -- including commercial and closed-source
Solar_Diz we even try to provide package-level compatibility for installing packages intended for RHL on Owl, where that doesn't conflict with our more important goals
Solar_Diz then, we try to include a growing set of integrated Internet services
Solar_Diz right now only a relatively small set is available, -- due to our very strict requirements for the design and quality of network services (more on that later)
Solar_Diz Owl also includes a complete build environment ("make buildworld") with which you can easily rebuild the entire system from source, more on that later
Solar_Diz finally, we support multiple architectures
Solar_Diz currently that's x86, sparc, and alpha
Solar_Diz (although during -current branch development the published binary packages for non-x86 architectures are often behind the real -current, that may change to follow demand)
Solar_Diz (for those joining, http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/)
Solar_Diz (slide 6)
Solar_Diz now, our approach to security
Solar_Diz 1. software design and code quality are our first priority; some of what we mean by "quality" is to be defined later on, the rest is subjective ;-)
Solar_Diz 2. we do proactive source code review of software we package
Solar_Diz pieces of code which are typically run with privileges greater than those of a regular user and/or typically process data obtained over a network are audited before the corresponding software component is included
Solar_Diz this applies to:
Solar_Diz - relevant code paths in many of the system libraries
Solar_Diz - all SUID/SGID programs
Solar_Diz - all daemons and network services
Solar_Diz other pieces of source code may be reviewed when the software component is already a part of Owl
Solar_Diz (slide 7, continuation of our approach to security)
Solar_Diz 3. we apply software modifications in order to:
Solar_Diz - apply the least privilege principle
Solar_Diz - introduce privilege separation
Solar_Diz what exactly we do will be illustrated on further slides
Solar_Diz 4. we provide a safe default configuration for everything that is configurable
Solar_Diz dangerous features, if any, need to be enabled explicitly
Solar_Diz 5. as the project evolves, many of the software components will be replaced with ones of our own
Solar_Diz for some, that has already been happening
Solar_Diz for example, at first we used Linux-PAM's pam_unix (or actually pam_pwdb) to provide authentication of Unix accounts, even though we knew perfectly well that it is something to be replaced
Solar_Diz now we've switched to our own, pam_tcb
Solar_Diz there're other examples
Solar_Diz (slide 8, even more continuation of our approach to security;-)
Solar_Diz 6. we provide certain policy enforcement and integrity checking capabilities in the distribution
Solar_Diz in particular, all of our login services are capable of dealing with account and password aging information
Solar_Diz when passwords are changed (through whatever service), strong passwords are enforced (as configurable by the administrator)
Solar_Diz we also include a port of BSD's mtree(8) utility to do filesystem integrity checking
Solar_Diz 7. we include strong cryptography within core OS components
Solar_Diz well, today this is nothing too exciting: many other distributions do as well
Solar_Diz this of course means things such as openssl and openssh are an essential part of the system (and our port of mtree is made to use openssl)
Solar_Diz but to mention a few pieces which others don't do: we also have an improved password hashing framework implemented in our glibc/libcrypt (please refer to crypt(3), the man page i wrote, on the owl box)
Solar_Diz and we have cryptographically random id's in the resolver (DNS)
Solar_Diz (just to remind, the owl box is at:
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz once again please be polite, no time to track abuse)
Solar_Diz (those who ran into an rlimit, -- please re-login, rlimits increased)
Solar_Diz 8. we also apply "hardening" to reduce likelihood and/or impact of successful real-world attacks on insecure third-party software one might install on the system
Solar_Diz this is not limited to the optional kernel patches (yes, they're optional and relatively unimportant on Owl, except when they fix a kernel vulnerability)
Solar_Diz for example, in various system libraries we also have certain "hardening" for the case of uses from SUID/SGID programs
Solar_Diz this includes glibc, ncurses, libtermcap, openssl
Solar_Diz 9. finally, we aim to have a wide range of security tools available for use "out of the box"
Solar_Diz right now there're not so many but that will be changing once we're done with what we consider are more important problems to work on
Solar_Diz with our ISO images providing a live multi-user networked system, Owl may also be considered a replacement for Trinux for when a CD drive is available
Solar_Diz (slide 9, the build environment)
Solar_Diz the Owl userland is maintained similarly to *BSD ports/packages and may be rebuilt with one simple command, "make buildworld"
Solar_Diz as you can see, the implementation of "make buildworld" is very different from that seen on *BSD
Solar_Diz we have two source trees:
Solar_Diz one "native" tree, with our own software and build specs and patches to third-party software we package
Solar_Diz and the other "sources" tree, with third-party software in the form of tarballs or such
Solar_Diz some packages are built from both trees (*BSD-port like)
Solar_Diz others, which we fully maintain ourselves, exist entirely in the native tree
Solar_Diz during the buildworld, several builder processes may be created for efficient builds on milti-processor machines
Solar_Diz and as a result of the buildworld RPM packages are produced
Solar_Diz why RPM, you ask?
Solar_Diz well, we recognize that one reason people pick Linux over a *BSD is they want to install software intended for Linux
Solar_Diz much of it comes in RPM format these days
Solar_Diz and we'd better provide reasonable dependency handling for those packages
Solar_Diz for those who dislike RPM as much as I do, -- you don't have to even be aware that there're RPM's between the buildworld and the installworld
Solar_Diz you just run the two commands ;-)
Solar_Diz then, the package manager is one of those things we'd like to replace with our own once/if we have the time
Solar_Diz (slide 10, the software we developed for Owl)
Solar_Diz (for those joining, the slides are at http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/)
Solar_Diz first, the portable software we developed and use in Owl:
Solar_Diz several PAM modules: pam_mktemp, pam_passwdqc, pam_userpass
Solar_Diz (you may issue "rpm -qi" on those on the owl box,
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school)
Solar_Diz pam_mktemp provides safe per-user temporary directories and sets $TMPDIR accordingly
Solar_Diz pam_passwdqc is our password strength checking/enforcement module with support for passphrases and also randomly-generated ones
Solar_Diz please refer to /usr/doc/pam_passwdqc-*/README on the box or http://www.openwall.com/passwdqc/
Solar_Diz (questions)
Solar_Diz (on #qc that is)
Solar_Diz other portable software we wrote and include in Owl is: popa3d, scanlogd, john, and libnids
Solar_Diz popa3d is the POP3 server, more on its design on a separate slide
Solar_Diz scanlogd is a simple port scan detection tool
Solar_Diz john is a password cracker/checker used to identify weak passwords
Solar_Diz and libnids is Nergal's (hi Nergal) low-level networking library which does IP defragmentation and TCP stream reassembly, to be used for intrustion detection and traffic analysis
Solar_Diz then, the "semi-portable" software we have:
Solar_Diz crypt_blowfish, the password hashing framework you could see explained in crypt(3) on the Owl box
Solar_Diz it also includes my implementation of bcrypt, the password hashing algorithm originally designed for OpenBSD
Solar_Diz which we of course use as the default
Solar_Diz and the tcb suite, work by Nergal and me, which consists of libtcb, libnss_tcb, and pam_tcb
Solar_Diz i will hopefully describe that in detail later
Solar_Diz (questions/comments on #qc)
Solar_Diz then, the Owl-specific software we developed:
Solar_Diz owl-control, a framework for controlling (enabling/disabling and not only that) of system facilities without having to install/uninstall their corresponding packages
Solar_Diz the owl-control facilities include things like:
Solar_Diz jill!root:~# control
Solar_Diz chage           restricted      (public restricted)
Solar_Diz chfn            restricted      (public restricted)
Solar_Diz chsh            restricted      (public restricted)
Solar_Diz crontab         public          (public restricted)
Solar_Diz as well as certain servics:
Solar_Diz postfix         local           (server local)
Solar_Diz sftp            disabled        (enabled disabled)
Solar_Diz and some less trivial cases:
Solar_Diz sftp            disabled        (enabled disabled)
Solar_Diz su              wheelonly       (public wheel wheelonly restricted)
Solar_Diz (this is not an exhaustive list)
Solar_Diz well, and of course the startup scripts, the build environment, and so on are all Owl-specific
Solar_Diz (slide 11, the ported software)
Solar_Diz (the slides are at http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/)
Solar_Diz several software components have been ported from OpenBSD, with our usual source code review and modifications
Solar_Diz this includes:
Solar_Diz mailx (/bin/mail)
Solar_Diz mtree, -- and we actually build the initial filesystem hierarchy with it
Solar_Diz telnet and telnetd, -- with modifications to introduce privilege separation, more on that later
Solar_Diz Vixie Cron, -- with modifications for SGID crontab(1)
Solar_Diz (it's not SUID root on Owl, it doesn't need to be)
Solar_Diz (slide 12)
Solar_Diz the software we have modified:
Solar_Diz that's essentially all of it
Solar_Diz - we have on average 4 patch files per package
Solar_Diz - (the most important) half of the patches originate in Owl
Solar_Diz - the other half has been imported from various other distributions, including *BSD's, --
Solar_Diz -- with appropriate credit given in each patch file name
Solar_Diz (this also lets us and others track where a patch came from)
Solar_Diz (slide 13, the crontab / crond interaction)
Solar_Diz from now on, i'll have to be brief _assuming_ that you're looking at the slides or we won't finish in time :-)
Solar_Diz http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/
Solar_Diz well, we have modified crontab and crond such that:
Solar_Diz the cron spool directory is made writable to group crontab, mode 1730
Solar_Diz crontab(1) is installed SGID crontab
Solar_Diz (you may see that on the Owl box)
Solar_Diz crond(8) doesn't blindly trust its spool directory
Solar_Diz rather, it makes such each cron job file is owned by the user the job is meant to run as
Solar_Diz thus, a compromise of group crontab would at most (in the absense of a second bug) result in the ability to play DoS attacks against crond
Solar_Diz no root compromise :-)
Solar_Diz (slide 14, syslogd architecture)
Solar_Diz well, our syslogd has been modified (based on work by Chris Wing of CAEN Linux) to run as non-root
Solar_Diz on Owl, it is started as the dedicated pseudo-user and group, syslogd
Solar_Diz in order to be able to re-open the log files on SIGHUP, usually after the logs have been rotated, the log rotator must make them writable to user or group syslogd (ours does)
Solar_Diz (slide 15, klogd architecture)
Solar_Diz similarly, our klogd has been patched to support running as non-root and chrooted
Solar_Diz you may see the updated man pages for both syslogd and klogd on the Owl box,
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz by default, we run klogd as user/group klogd and chrooted to /var/empty
Solar_Diz again, a possible bug in klogd (and there has been some in the past) would no longer result in a root compromise
Solar_Diz (slide 16, popa3d architecture)
Solar_Diz that is an example of privilege separation implemented in a service
Solar_Diz we currently do that for all network services except SSH; that will change soon as Niels Provos has been working hard on privilege separation for OpenSSH
Solar_Diz of the services we have, there're slides for popa3d, telnetd, and vsftpd
Solar_Diz there's no slide for Postfix although it uses privilege separation and is running chrooted on Owl, too
Solar_Diz (and we got certain fixes into official Postfix for that privilege separation to be more effective)
Solar_Diz so, the popa3d architecture
Solar_Diz as can be seen on the slide, popa3d forks into two processes during the authorization state
Solar_Diz no user input directly reaches the root-privileged part
Solar_Diz then, after the user is authenticated, popa3d is running as that user
Solar_Diz this means that popa3d never subjects its root privileges to the risk of remote attacks _directly_ (indirect attacks may still be possible but will very likely require at least two bugs, not one)
Solar_Diz (slide 17, telnetd architecture)
Solar_Diz the telnetd I have ported from OpenBSD (post-3.0)
Solar_Diz the modifications illustrated on the slide are similar to those Chris Evans has demonstrated in his NetKit telnetd patches, although the code is different
Solar_Diz the idea is similar: a bug in telnet protocol handling (a fairly complicated task) shouldn't result in a direct root compromise, even though telnetd needs to do parts of its work as root
Solar_Diz how that is achieved can be seen on the slide
Solar_Diz (slide 18, vsftpd architecture)
Solar_Diz vsftpd is Chris Evans' FTP server, we use it on Owl :-)
Solar_Diz it has privilege separation implemented from the very beginning
Solar_Diz please refer to the slide for details
Solar_Diz (it is more complicated than the popa3d and telnetd cases, and we have no time to go into that)
Solar_Diz (slide 19, an introduction into traditional password shadowing)
Solar_Diz well, as most of you probably know, with traditional password shadowing all password hashes and aging information of all users go into a single file, /etc/shadow
Solar_Diz this means that:
Solar_Diz passwd(1) has to be SUID root in order to be able to write new passwords into that file
Solar_Diz chage(1) has to possess the privilege to read all of the shadow file
Solar_Diz as a result, a 'passwd' process compromise is fatal
Solar_Diz (it is a root compromise)
Solar_Diz and the problem cannot be fixed by assigning a dedicated user for /etc/shadow accesses (another owner of the file)
Solar_Diz this is because that user would be able to change any other user's password and thus would effectively be able to do all root can
Solar_Diz (slide 20, tcb - our alternative to shadow)
Solar_Diz - each user is assigned a separate shadow file
Solar_Diz - each user is the owner of their shadow file
Solar_Diz - access to shadow files is group-restricted to allow for password policy enforcement
Solar_Diz the move to tcb is transparent for existing applications which rely on interfaces such as getspnam(3) (and thus on NSS) or PAM
Solar_Diz no modifications to application sources are needed
Solar_Diz tcb is currently enabled on the Owl box:
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz you may look at the permissions on /usr/bin/passwd, /etc/tcb
Solar_Diz and i'll now let you change the password to see that it indeed does work (as well as how our password strength enforcement works)
Solar_Diz         Minimum Password Age [365]: -1
Solar_Diz ok, but please paste the new password in here if you do change it
Solar_Diz (slide 21, the filesystem layout)
Solar_Diz well, just look at the slide :-)
Solar_Diz http://www.openwall.com/presentations/nordu2002-owl-html+images/
Solar_Diz we also use the per-user directories for  space and lock files which are needed during password change and account management
Solar_Diz there's a tcb(5) man page, as well as other relevant man pages referenced from it
Solar_Diz (slide 22, the privileges required for tcb)
Solar_Diz (i know we're out of time, finishing in 5-10 minutes after which Kurt will give his talk:-)
Solar_Diz passwd(1) is made SGID shadow
Solar_Diz chage(1) is SGID shadow
Solar_Diz a possible compromise would only let one bypass password policy enforcement for their own account
Solar_Diz there's support for group "auth" should the need arise to grant a process read access to all of the password hashes at once (this is what group "shadow" used to do)
Solar_Diz finally, with such a scheme, there may be no real need for any SUID binaries on the entire system, yet leaving the system perfectly usable
Solar_Diz (passwd works, crontab works, and so on)
Solar_Diz (slide 23, the components of the tcb suite)
Solar_Diz - libtcb, the auxiliary library used by almost all of the tcb suite, -- it provides functions for locking and accessing tcb shadow files safely
Solar_Diz (we can't blindly trust the /etc/tcb subdirectories, else a group shadow compromise could be extended into a root compromise)
Solar_Diz - libnss_tcb, the NSS module
Solar_Diz it provides getspnam(3) and related functions, only making them access the /etc/tcb hierarchy rather than /etc/shadow
Solar_Diz finally, the /etc/tcb/*/shadow files themselves are accessed with the proper effective credentials and their contents are treated as untrusted input by root-privileged parts of the system
Solar_Diz (slide 24, more tcb components)
Solar_Diz - pam_tcb, the PAM module
Solar_Diz it provides functionality for all four PAM management groups (authentication, accounting, session and password management)
Solar_Diz it supports /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/tcb/ directory structure, NIS, and NIS+ for password changes
Solar_Diz (the other parts aren't limited to those authentication databases as NSS is used and other NSS modules may be provided)
Solar_Diz it supports arbitrary password hashing methods, with no need to recompile if you add a new one
Solar_Diz this is possible due to our improved password hashing framework in glibc/libcrypt
Solar_Diz please refer to crypt_gensalt(3) man page on the Owl box:
Solar_Diz ssh uninet.tmp.openwall.com
Solar_Diz l: uninet
Solar_Diz p: franc&gather.school
Solar_Diz (hope the password is still valid since after i've let you folks change it)
sarnold (it appears it is :)
Solar_Diz it also optionally forks child processes to deal with sensitive information to keep the application's address space clean
Solar_Diz and of course it's backwards compatible with Linux-PAM pam_unix and pam_pwdb but offers additional functionality and better code quality
Solar_Diz (slide 25, the remaining tcb components)
Solar_Diz - tcb_convert and tcb_unconvert
sarnold new passwd: surf-exceed;lemon
Solar_Diz these allow for easy conversion between /etc/tcb/* and traditional /etc/shadow databases
Solar_Diz please refer to the man pages for those for instructions on how to use them and what other steps need to be done for conversion
Solar_Diz - the shadow suite utilities
Solar_Diz non-trivial patching has been applied to the sources of most shadow suite utilities
Solar_Diz the invocation syntax remained unchanged (with few exceptions to access certain tcb-specifics)
Solar_Diz (such as, with "vipw -s" you now have to specify a username)
Solar_Diz (that's only when in tcb mode, of course)
Solar_Diz - a setting in /etc/login.defs specifies whether the utilities should adhere to the tcb scheme or be backwards-compatible
Solar_Diz (slide 26, further information)
Solar_Diz please refer to the Owl homepage at http://www.openwall.com/Owl/ for further information
Solar_Diz this presentation has been prepared by me and Nergal, who is also the primary author of the tcb suite i've just described :-)
Solar_Diz now, i would let you ask questions but i know we're out of time :-(
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sarnold yes, one thing that should be pointed out ...
sarnold solar designer has contributed a _huge_ amount of security fixes to opensource projects over the years
Solar_Diz could we perhaps create #owl for the questions?
cronos thanks Solar_Diz for sharing your knowledge with us and takeing the time to be here.
Solar_Diz thank you everyone for listening, smart questions, and for being so polite with the victim Owl box
sarnold :)
viZard nice linux-2.2.20 Owl box :D
viZard i love it !
viZard where can i get one of those ? :)
cronos Solar_Diz downlaod the CD from openwall
cronos i mean, the iso
sarnold yes, #owl is now available if you wish to discuss Openwall linux further :)
cronos http://www.openwall.com/Owl/

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